Insight To Action Leadership Innovation Podcast

Humanity stands at the critical intersection where you can actively participate in designing destiny. Business has an important role to play as does each person. Episodes feature leaders in consciousness and in business who are restoring healthy relationships and regenerating Life's support systems by tapping into deeper levels of human potential. #spiritual literacy #business #consciousness #inspired #innovation Thanks to Mark Romero Music for the music.
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Aug 18, 2017

For many people, 9-5 jobs are energy sucking and unfulfilling. At some point it’s clear a change is necessary. Becoming more aligned with your personal purpose means changing how you respond to what is going on in your inner and outers world.

Mariusz Bocian. Polish documentary filmmaker, openly shares his inner process with moving from a toxic work environment to being more aligned with his purpose. He shares what he uses as a compass every day, and what he’s learned by diving deep.

Mariusz and Dawna talk about:

  • The pivotal point for doing things differently
  • How he dismantled limiting beliefs
  • How he uses feeling uncomfortable to reflect and see the source
  • Why diving deep reveals the pivot point for a different response.
  • The Reinvention-Movie and corporate reinvention
  • Tips on abundance

Mariusz Bocian, passion and intuition follower, is focused on creating sustainable value for people. He is creating a documentary movie about personal and organizational transformation towards workplaces where people flourish. You’ll find the documentary film on

The interview I mentioned with Kevin O’Brien on Letting Go of Control  is on the Evolutionary Provocateur podcast: on my iTunes page:

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Dawna Jones-Host

Dawna Jones designs creative ways to get tough conversations and small to large transformational tasks accomplished. Her expertise lies in using personal and organizational energy for creative and constructive purposes, decision making in complexity and self-realized leadership. Follow me on Twitter or LinkedIN:



The intro music is provided by Mark Romero of Mark is the former CEO of a semi-conductor firm whose music has been scientifically tested and proven to create coherence in the body.

The symphonic artist-owned music track at the end of the podcast has been contributed by metal musician Jaron who Dawna randomly met.


Jaron’s goes by the name Ringbearer and the track is called Men of Gondor. Find him on Facebook: and on Bandcamp:

Aug 4, 2017

HR innovator Karen Rivoire guest hosts a conversation with author and change agent Richard Barrett, founder of the Barrett Values Center. In this conversation he talks about ego-soul dynamics as it relates to human and organizational health.

You will hear:

  • About the role of a leader as a guardian of values
  • The verticality of all life at different stages
  • Emotions – what they are and how they serve you
  • The ego’s need and soul’s desire
  • The fundamental human needs companies often fail to meet
  • Fulfilling fundamental human needs in teenagers
  • Why Millennial is one of the most miss used terms
  • How soul and psychology got separated and why it is time to bring it back
  • About a 4th dimension
  • A question around AI and soul

Richard Barrett is an author, speaker and internationally recognized thought leader on the evolution of human values in business and society. He is the founder and chairman of the Barrett Values Centre®, a Fellow of the World Business Academy and Former Values Coordinator at the World Bank. 

He is the creator of the internationally recognized Cultural Transformation Tools® (CTT) which have been used to support more than 6,000 organizations on their transformational journeys. To date, more than 5,000 change agents, consultants and coaches have been trained by the Barrett Values Centre to use the Cultural Transformation Tools in over 50 countries. See

Listen to an earlier podcast Dawna did with Richard on the Evolutionary Provocateur podcast. 

Karen Rivoire, co-host for this episode, is a curious people pioneer activating the global human revolution inside companies. Passionate about aligning people’s experience with company purpose, she prefers to solve tough business challenges. Because she values difference, she disrupts unhelpful patterns responsibly and empowers people around a purpose-driven future. On top of her long experience in large and entrepreneurial world-class organizations she advises business leaders, tech founders and mentors at Microsoft Accelerator. Karen is bilingual French and English. Find her on LinkedIN.

Dawna Jones, host of the Insight to Action podcast, is an author and practitioner specializing in the deep dynamics of transformation at a human and organizational level. She blogs monthly for the Huffington Post Great Workplace Cultures, wrote Decision Making for Dummies, and she has contributed a chapter on the new purpose of business to Ervin Laszlo’s upcoming The Intelligence of the Cosmos scheduled for fall publication by Inner Traditions. You can find Dawna on Twitter EPDawna_Jones and LinkedIn.

Intro music is provided by Mark’s music is scientifically proven to restore coherence to the human body. (You feel better!)

Jul 22, 2017

 Co-author of Freedom Inc., professor Isaac Getz talks to host Dawna Jones about his research and experience with transforming companies from traditional leadership, where the boss is right, to leadership free to contribute. Most organizations deny fundamental human needs seriously limiting performance and innovation. When employees have the freedom and ability to act in the best interests of the company, performance improves. But does more freedom mean even better performance? Dr. Getz shares examples of phenomenal business results from companies whose leaders built total freedom-of-initiative organizations. These leaders understand that three universal human needs—intrinsic equality, opportunity for growth, and self-direction—must be met for all employees. To nurture and sustain the freedom culture, these leaders share their vision of the company so that employees can “own” it.

In this episode you will learn about the role of the ego as an enabler or leadership liability, why the CEO does not hold the power, a day in the life of a liberated organization, and lessons learned from over 300 liberated companies world-wide. You will also learn about the transformational journey leaders go on to leave behind the belief that they are the smartest person in the organization.

Isaac Getz, coauthor of Freedom, Inc., is a professor at the ESCP Europe Business School French campus, and was a visiting professor at Cornell and Stanford Universities and at the University of Massachusetts.  He graduated in Computer Science, obtained an MS in Management Science, and PhDs in Psychology and in Management. You can find Isaac Getz at

 Dawna Jones, host of the Insight to Action podcast, is an author and consultant specializing in the deep dynamics of transformation at a human and organizational level. She blogs monthly for the Huffington Post Great Workplace Cultures, wrote Decision Making for Dummies, an advanced book, and she has contributed a chapter on the new purpose of business to Ervin Laszlo’s upcoming The Intelligence of the Cosmos scheduled for fall publication by Inner Traditions. You can find Dawna on Twitter EPDawna_Jones.

Intro music is provided by Mark’s music is scientifically proven to restore coherence to the human body. (You feel better!)

Jul 7, 2017


Simone Cicero explains how platform design thinking enables self-organization giving it an edge over industrial models. The open source Platform Design Toolkit canvases allow you to:

  • reduces the complexity of a problem
  • gain the advantages of thinking of your business as a story
  • switch the narrative to empowering ecosystem potential
  • collaborate and compete in the same moment

In this conversation with host Dawna Jones Simone Cicero explains how the Platform Design Toolkit:

  • Connects platform thinking to learning
  • Connects with the existing world of design thinking
  • The outcomes the five design canvases generate: transactional and relationship
  • The spectrum from vision-prototype-validation and growth hacking
  • How platform design help health, for example, achieve more by spending less
  • How platforms accelerate scaling
  • Two ways to innovate the business of your company.

Simone Cicero is a self-starter, strategist, product and service designer interested in co-design, design thinking and innovation. He sees the reasons underpinning change and connects the dots to design relevant and consistent strategies and products. A Lean and Agile practitioner with experience in adapting methodologies, Simone runs workshops for strategy co-creation, product and service design and more. Coaching and participated learning are true paths to innovation. 

A blogger and public speaker, Simone speaks about innovation, disruption, resilience and ecosystems. Under the Meedabyte banner, Simone’s content has been featured on forward thinking magazines and blogs such as: Repubblica, Domus, Shareable, Ouishare Media, and Les Echos.

Go to to download what you need to think through your platform.


Dawna Jones, host of the Insight to Action program, designs creative ways to get tough conversations and tasks accomplished. Her expertise lies in using personal and organizational energy for creative and constructive purposes, decision making in complexity and self-realized leadership. Follow me on Twitter or LinkedIN:

The intro music is provided by Mark Romero of Mark is the former CEO of a semi-conductor firm whose music has been scientifically tested and proven to create coherence in the body.

The symphonic artist-owned music track at the end of the podcast has been contributed by metal musician Jaron. 

Jaron goes by the name Ringbearer and the track is called 'Minus Tirith'. Find him on Facebook: and on Bandcamp:

Jun 23, 2017

Companies are under pressure to transform to a different world-view while maintaining operations. The tension makes organizational transformation a journey that requires thinking from the inside and from the outside. David Heron, Group CEO of Wilton & Bain, a global leadership advisory boutique, and WBMS Associate Chris Bevan form a team who help companies find the right people to guide them through the transformational process.  

In their conversation with host, Dawna Jones they talk about:

  • The tension between running business as an operation and the process of design to mobilize major transformation
  • The value of readiness particularly at the CEO level plus how metrics work against risk taking
  • The short-cut approach to avoiding digital transformation and the problems that creates
  • The need for building confidence and courage throughout a long-term change process as business life surfaces multiple disruptions
  • How to mitigate the loss of foresight and risk aversion due to fear
  • The importance of designing the future and future ambitions
  • How ready or not companies are to up the strategy to the level of global sustainability
  • Tips for executive decision makers

Wilton & Bain help organizations find the right people to guide companies through change operationally and strategically.

Your host, Dawna Jones, specializes in reading the deep dynamics underpinning personal and organizational growth. She helps increase self and organizational awareness of the systemic impact of decisions so that human potential is released. Speaker - Consultant-Author - VR (virtual reality for human evolution).

Find her on or Twitter EPDawna_Jones 

The intro music is composed by Mark Romero of Mark's music has been verified by a quantum physicist to restore coherence. 

Jun 9, 2017

Dr. Katrin Muff is a force behind Business School Lausanne’s adoption of Holacracy and the design of the GapFrame for activating the contribution of regenerative business to fulfill the UN Sustainable Development Goals and higher level strategy conversation.

In this program we talk about:

  • The implementation of self-management (Holacracy) at Business School Lausanne 
  • The limits of hierarchy in driving purpose
  • The big insights and freedom gained from decentralized decision making
  • The ups and downs of deliberately developmental organizations (Robert Kegan’s work)
  • How a business school can walk its talk through reinventing itself and offer students experience with the unfolding real world
  • How the GapFrame framework can be used by business and business schools to change the conversations (
  • Advice to recent graduates facing the question: What next? ‘Get a job’ or ‘do what I care about’

Go online to Business School Lausanne to take the 5 minute CARL quiz on your responsible leadership competencies. Are you up to speed?

Guest Dr. Katrin Muff is a thought leader in the transformative space of sustainability and responsibility at Business School Lausanne, where she acted as Dean from 2008-2015 until self-organization made such a title redundant. Under her leadership, the school focused its vision on entrepreneurship, responsibility and sustainability in education and research. Her business experience includes 10 years at ALCOA (GM in Russia, Industry Analyst for Global M&A in the U.S. and Business Analyst Europe), 3 years as Director, Strategic Planning EMEA at IAMS Europe (Procter & Gamble), and 3 years as a co-founder of Yupango, a coaching consultancy dedicated to start-ups and training management teams.

Dawna Jones is your host. She is a speaker, quantum consciousness leadership coach, author of Decision Making for Dummies – an advanced guide to decision making in the 21st century. She prepares decision makers with the skills to read context and apply intuitive in balance with rational to make the best decisions in complex situations. On iTunes you’ll find Dawna Jones’s podcasts on

Contact Dawna at or through LinkedIn.


Music intro is by Mark Romero Music. Mark’s music brings the body into a state of coherence.

May 26, 2017

At the start of the internet age Traci Fenton and her team in college were thinking about democracy in the workplace. Not voting but democracy where workplaces could fully unlock and live their full potential. Out of that grew WorldBlu. Twenty years later WorldBlu offers the platinum standard and scorecard for replacing fear with freedom, attracting high level companies like Zappos, Simon Sinek’s Start with Why, Nearsoft (EP5) and Menlo Innovations (EP7).

In this episode you’ll hear and try on:

  • 10 principles that need to be operational for any democracy to function
  • The Freedom at Work Scorecard for companies of 5 or more
  • The financial rewards of being a freedom-centric workplace
  • How to apply the five step power question process
  • What would you do if you weren’t afraid?
  • Why now is the Democratic Age
  • The level of fear in the C-suite and how to rise above it

Traci Fenton is the Founder and CEO of WorldBlu, which has a vision to see one billion people working in freedom-centered organizations worldwide. WorldBlu was founded in 1997 and is the largest global network of companies committed to freedom and democracy in the workplace, with clients in over 80 countries globally representing over $30 billion in annual revenue.

WorldBlu's clients include such well-respected brands as Zappos, DaVita, HCL Technologies, WD-40, Great Harvest Bread Company, Menlo Innovations (EP7), Nearsoft (EP5), Geonetric and more.

Traci developed the ground breaking Freedom at Work™ model as well as the Freedom-Centered Leader™ and Freedom-Centered CEO™ certification programs and frequently coaches and consults with leaders of companies worldwide working to embrace a more freedom-centered model.



  • Music for this program is provided by Mike Nasseri with a track called Medium inspired by Marshall McLuhan.
  • Intro music is calibrated to bring you into alignment by Mark Romero

Your Host - Dawna Jones - FromInsightToAction

Your host, Dawna Jones, works with all learners but especially highly sensitive people to train and harness their gifts for wellbeing with the spin off benefit of keeping companies alert to changing conditions. She also raises the accuracy and quality of decisions in complex environments by raising self-organizational awareness.

Contract Dawna through LinkedIn: dawnahjones ,

Dawna is the author of Decision Making for Dummies (a sophisticated book on decision making) and has contributed a chapter to Ervin Laszlo’s The Intelligence of the Cosmos due for release in the fall. Dawna also blogs for the Huffington Post Great Workplace Cultures.

May 12, 2017

When Michael Moll was a kid growing up in Kenya he was surrounded by gardens, fresh fruits and vegetables. Today with his fiancée, he runs startup, a gardening app. Millennials are driving the return to urban gardening to the benefit of all ages in terms of well-being and core leadership skills. It is the unusual combination of technology and gardening that is restoring face to face connection with community and getting outdoors. 

In this conversation we talk about:

  • The food supply issues that impact what you’ll find on the shelves,
  • The interconnectivity of food supply and demand world-wide,
  • How gardening restores confidence and connection,
  • The garden as a living system,
  • How is MyGreenSpace like having a master gardener in your pocket,
  • What schools with gardening programs seem to be missing,
  • Why tech is the best connector between gardens and people.

Go to to download the free IOS and Android app. MyGreenSpace is a digital garden planner and seed shop on a mission to make communities more sustainable and resilient.

Mike is a social commerce visionary who uses technology to transform rudimentary human activities.  Michael is originally from Kenya and came to Canada in 2008 on a full scholarship to study at the Saunder School of Business and then turned to using the power of technology to make the world a better place. Naturally, Michael values sustainability and merges that with a keen eye for visual communication and product development. He is obsessed with the power of co-creation. 

Mike is a full time optimist who loves nothing more than living at the intersection between people and technology. 


Intro music is by Mark Romero of Mark is the former CEO of a semi-conductor company whose music restores coherence to people and workplaces.

Podcast host Dawna Jones specializes in providing insights and advanced decision-making skills to progressive companies and individuals aware that they are in new territory.


Apr 28, 2017

As economy, education and other traditional systems buckle under the weight of changing values and complexity Millennial values and awareness of the state of the world confronts societal expectations. Emanuele Rapisarda, Evolution Coach working with Cocoon Projects and Lindsay Henwood, a commercial editorial photographer talk about their experience with finding purpose, living to be true to yourself.

In this raw, honest and profound conversation you’ll hear:

  • Principles for making decisions,
  • How to handle the scariness of doing something unfamiliar with uncertain outcomes,
  • 6 things Millennials look for in organizations and the value to organizations of meeting them,
  • Two different journeys on the path to discover personal purpose,
  • What question to ask when the job you expected is not there,
  • Uncovering what lies at the core of your passion and talent,
  • Why it doesn’t matter if you are wrong,
  • wisdom 

Share this interview with anyone who is at the crossroads in their life’s journey asking ‘What do I do next?’.  

Lindsay Henwood’s photography is found on: and Instagram Contact her through either. Lindsay referenced Debbie Millman, speaker and life designer. 

Emanuele Rapisarda is found on LinkedIn and Twitter. To work with him as an Evolution Coach, go to  Emanuele mentioned Elements which comes from: The Element: How Finding Your Passion Changes Everything by Ken Robinson and Finding Your Element: How to Discover Your Talents and Passions and Transform Your Life also by Ken Robinson

For a photo of Lindsay Henwood surfing see 

Intro music is by Mark Romero of Mark is the former CEO of a semi-conductor company whose music restores coherence to people and workplaces.

Podcast host Dawna Jones specializes in providing transformation insights to companies and individuals ready to expand awareness and apply it to be ahead of and prepared for massive change.

Apr 15, 2017

As the world changes your most in depth technology is your knowledge of peak performance and flow states. Steven Kotler of the Flow Genome Project explains how neuroscience helps you manage flow and peak performance states; applying self-awareness to action, particularly what you can do to manage yourself through the ‘dark side’. We start with reflecting on how on how well business executives have incorporated knowledge of flow states to function in today’s complex business environment and how business can apply this knowledge to make better performance rich environments. 


  • How exponential growth in sports informs how you navigate exponential change in the business environment.
  • 3 qualities of a rich environment that catalyze peak performance states.
  • The Navy Seal approach to training the brain to be present and mindful in the moment while overcoming the panic button.
  • What the 1000 year-old sport of surfing and other weather dependent sports teach about flow states.
  • Preconditions that lead to flow along with the triggers.
  • The conditions for recovering from the neuro-chemical cocktail induced by flow.
  • What business decision makers can learn from pro-athletes.
  • Why Steve Job’s added unpredictability and complexity to Pixar to ramp up creativity.
  • Why Google goes for 10X goals.
  • The competitive advantage to learning.
  • Why flow has become an indicator of market performance in the game sector.

Steven Kotler is a New York Times bestselling author, award-winning journalist, and cofounder and director of research for the Flow Genome Project. His books include Bold, The Rise of Superman, Abundance, A Small, Furry Prayer, West of Jesus, and The Angle Quickest for Flight and Stealing the Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work. You can find him online at or on Forbes with Far Frontiers blog


Go to to take the Flow assessment and meet Steven’s Flow Genome partner Jamie Wheal.

Contact Dawna Jones through or Twitter EPDawna_Jones


Mar 31, 2017

 Why does narrative and story ignite the power of the human spirit? How do you move through a difficult experience in life or work? Why is letting go of control so difficult?

In times when attempting to control your outer world results in fatigue, overwhelm and exhaustion, attending to your inner world restores initiative and strength. Narrative coach David Drake explains the difference between narrative and story. The conversation in this episode sheds light on:

  • Why does nobody do what I asked them to?
  • What is behind the drive to understand purpose?
  • What are the four fundamental human needs?
  • How can we contribute to each others flourishing as individuals and as an organization?
  • What happens to initiative in an organization where external control suppresses initiative? (and creativity)
  • How does narrative help executives communicate vision? Or strengthen brand?

Narrative coach David Drake is the author of Narrative Coaching: Principles and Practices for Bringing New Stories to Life. His personal mission is ‘to help create and spread new narrative methods that integrate personal and social transformation’. David has worked on narrative coaching, change and leadership initiatives for 70 organizations, including Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Google, Nike, PwC, Westpac and the Australia and US federal governments. Clients appreciate his systemic and innovative approaches.
He is the founder of the field of narrative coaching and the creator of the Narrative Coaching Labs for practitioners and Narrative Design Labs in organizations. David has trained over 10,000 people in 14 countries in his methods. He has started a global community of licensed Narrative Design Partners to bring this work to the world in new ways.
David is also the architect of integrative development, which brings together adult development and organization development in a unified theory of change. Narrative coaching is an integrative practice that can scale to any size. Dr David Drake founded and runs the Center for Narrative Coaching & Leadership in the San Francisco Bay Area.


The pop-punk track on this episode was contributed by @ChaseYourWords. The track is called ‘You and Me’. Thanks to lead singer Chris for providing this and the track on the previous episode.


Intro music is by Mark Romero of Mark is the former CEO of a semi-conductor company who saw the music. He now works with individuals and companies to restore coherence to their environments.

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Podcast host Dawna Jones specializes in providing transformation insights to companies, their leaders and to individuals seeking to evolve their skills to match the complexities of today.

Mar 17, 2017

“The world in which you were born is just one model of reality. Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you. They are unique manifestations of the human spirit.” -Wade Davis 

Wade Davis is an anthropologist, ethnobotanist, writer, photographer, filmmaker and explorer. National Geographic named him as one of the explorers of the Millennium. Described as “a rare combination of scientist, scholar, poet and passionate defender of all of life’s diversity”, Wade’s work has taken him to East Africa, Borneo, Nepal, Peru, Polynesia, Tibet, Mali, Benin, Togo, New Guinea, Australia,

Davis holds degrees in anthropology and biology and received his Ph.D. in ethnobotany from Harvard University. 

In this conversation with Dawna Jones, Wade explains the mind-blowing (Dawna’s words) sophistication of indigenous skills to navigating across open seas without the instruments we rely on today.

Their conversation covers:

  • Perception: Is a mountain a hunk of rock or a deity that directs destiny?
  • Science: Why race is a fiction and how we are all brothers and sisters
  • Empathy: The secret skill to working with different and diverse world views
  • Diversity: A more elegant definition of diversity from an anthropologist viewpoint that HR can use to replace targets and quotas
  • Descartes: How we became separate in our relationship with Nature, the high cost to all life and what we can do about it
  • Psychedelics: The contribution of mind expanding adventures to seeing reality in a different light
  • Culture: How cultural myopia prevents us from seeing and hearing others
  • The Great Hope for what lies ahead
  • The Great Lie Trump sold the middle class
  • What leaders and entrepreneurs can learn from ancient Polynesian Wayfinding skills
  • Why Wayfinding in complex environments is more accurate than navigating from Point A to B

The whole conversation was sparked by Dawna’s read of The Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World published in 2009.

Also in this episode is an artist-owned track from pop-punk band @ChaseYourWords. Track is called ‘Here to Stay’.

Intro music is from Mark is the former CEO of a semi-conductor firm. His music generates coherence in listeners.

Your host is Dawna Jones:

Mar 3, 2017

The costs of management are a significant factor in the search for better organizational designs and management structures. Holacracy One started in 2007. Ten years later is following the 500+ companies that have implemented Holacracy to pick up on the legal and people side needed to balance the structural implementation of Holacracy. Tom Thomison, a co-founder of Holacracy One, and Dawna talk about:

  • The value of a distributed authority system,
  • What Holacracy is and is not,
  • The value of embedding an entrepreneurial stance to doing the work,
  • Is profit a purpose or a measure?
  • What does purpose of business mean and how does it replace Mission, Vision and other traditional elements,
  • The pivotal question for moving from a traditional model to a self-managing system,
  • The need to re-envision a world without employees
  • The importance of Like-purpose (not like-minded) diversity.

A seasoned entrepreneur and business builder with more than 30 years of experience, Tom Thomison is a recognized leader in self-organization practices and methods. In 2007, he co-founded HolacracyOne, LLC to further develop and mature Holacracy®, now a gold-standard replacement for conventional management hierarchies. 

 Tom is currently a Founding Member and Partner at, an organization focused on the creation of necessary legal, financial and social structures to further support self-organization and the new world of work. Tom is active as an entrepreneur having been involoved five early stage companies prior to and he has served as advisor to several startups and remains a Partner and Investor at HolacracyOne, LLC.

In the Evolutionary Provocateur podcast on iTunes Dawna interviewed Anna McGrath on what Holacracy is and its implementation in Zappos. Learn more about self-managed companies on the Evolutionary Provocateur podcast and the Insight to Action podcast.

Much thanks for the artist owned music track at the end of the show to Robert Grey, graphic designer at Brooks Grey Design. The track is called Dedication. You’ll find more of his music on his site. 

Dawna Jones is the host for the Insight to Action podcast. Dawna works with companies and leaders to adapt their decision-making and deepen leadership skills to make the bold, creative decisions to evolve and design tomorrow. She's the author of [Business] Decision Making for Dummies, and a monthly blogger for Great Workplace Cultures on the Huffington Post . She’s contributed a chapter on the new purpose of business to an upcoming book by Ervin Laszlo called Who are We and Why are We Here. See Mastering the Split in Consciousness


Feb 17, 2017

Stephenie Gloden is a passionate person. After reading Doug Kirkpatrick’s book Beyond Empowerment rather than attempt to impose the ideas she worked with her team at the University of Phoenix, Apollo Education Center to ‘own’ the ideas and implications. 

It is not that education systems do not want to deliver skills to equip students with 21st Century skills; it’s that the systemic blocks make it extremely difficult. A high level of vision and tenacity is required. To handle high speed change takes different skills so in this program you’ll hear:

  • How they inserted accountability into interpersonal relationships internally
  • What impact being fully responsible had on learning and growth of leaders
  • What surfaces when you see people as more than their role
  • About Redflint: a partnership between big corporations, the university and an accelerator.
  • About the ecosystem benefits for startups, big corps and entrepreneurs.
  • Why MGM in Los Vegas signed on as a partner.

Stephenie Gloden is the Vice President, Enterprise Resource Management at Apollo Education Group and part of the partnership behind the RedFlint Experience Center, Sparked by University of Phoenix and Arizona State University.

Innovative entrepreneur, intrapreneur and leader, Stephenie promotes a highly engaged culture focused on delivering value-driven service and solutions that meet customer needs. She applies lean startup principles, agile methodologies and self-management practices to driving collaboration in an interdisciplinary context. Fortunately, she’s not afraid to push the envelope – an essential trait in someone having to work around an entrenched systemic holding pattern. Stephenie Gloden is on LinkedIn. 

To learn more about RedFlint go to:

The artist owned music at the conclusion is fittingly called ‘Dedication’ which is what it takes to make systemic change. Robert Grey, my graphic designer has provided the track. More of his music and work is found at:

The introductory clip is courtesy of Mark Romero at Mark is the former CEO of a semi-conductor firm who has been doing what he loves ever since he left corporate. His music has been proven to restore coherence and well-being to the body.

Feb 4, 2017

Colin Price is the executive vice president and global managing partner at Heidrick & Struggles, a pioneer in the fields of executive search, culture shaping and leadership consulting. Prior to that he served as chairman of Co Company, an organizational development consulting firm. Previously he led the worldwide organization practice at McKinsey & Co. for many years.

Colin has consulted with many of the world’s largest organizations and published on important business challenges of organization health and performance for 25 years. His focus is on developing organizations that can align, execute, and renew better and quicker than competitors. His body of work around building organizational health, purpose, culture, leadership, and capabilities has defined this arena of study and practice.

In this conversation with Dawna he talks about:

  • The shift from linear thinking to working with complexity,
  • How recent political events like Brexit and the election of Trump can be understood by recognizing increased complexity,
  • Why complexity cannot be oversimplified,
  • Why middle managers are resistant to change,
  • Why high performing companies have a reduced management layer and what that means to organizational leaders explaining that to the managers affected by cost reduction realities,
  • Why accelerating doesn’t mean doing the same things but faster,
  • How complacency is created and what to do about it,
  • What top performing leaders do better,
  • The role of humility,
  • 3 things companies can do to keep pace.

Colin has published widely, and is author and co-author of seven books, including Accelerating Performance: How Organizations can Mobilize, Execute, Transform, with Agility. He has presented at many prestigious conferences, including The World Economic Forum and the Harvard Roundtable series around the need to integrate thinking on organizational performance and health so that corporations can create an aligned, high-performance system.


The music intro is from Mark Romero Music - a track called Alignment. Mark is a former CEO of a semi-conductor company who returned to his passion of music. His music restores health and coherence to the human body. See more at 

Jan 20, 2017

Dr. Lesley Philips was an environmental microbiologist who searched bio-diverse regions of the planet for natural product medicines. Then she went into business development making deals between life science companies. Today she mentors conscious leaders to help them transform themselves and their businesses. Her work reconnects decision makers to their advanced skills invaluable for navigating everything from personal crisis to chaos.

In this episode of Insight to Action you’ll hear us talk about:

  1. What is intuition?
  2. What are the primary advanced intuitive capacities that executives can tap into and their application?
  3. How Lesley went from a scientist to mentor teaching energy management skills to executives. From leading a dual identity to being true to herself.
  4. A tool for grounding your energy so that you can manage your business more effectively.
  5. How to let go of limits.
  6. Why these advanced skills will help you learn who you are – why you are here to live your personal purpose by taking your unique position in business and human evolution of consciousness.

In addition to talking you through a grounding exercise she mentions a centering exercise.

You can learn more about Dr. Lesley Phillips work at

Dr. Lesley Phillips is a spiritual teacher, who wants to help you access your intuition. Your spiritual journey involves personal growth and deep transformation. She can help you transcend your limits and let go of what keeps you from your purpose.

Dr. Lesley has offered intuitive sessions since 1996 and has taught meditation and intuition development since 2003. Over the years she has provided spiritual guidance and mentoring to thousands of people and many corporations.

She is the author of a spiritual novel, called “The Midas Tree.” Plus 3 non-fiction books on spirituality and a card deck that opens the intuition and creativity. She is at happiest when being of service, whether at a speaking engagement, teaching a class, giving a healing or mentoring her students.

Her credentials include:-

  • Sc. in Biological Sciences (John Moore’s University, Liverpool UK).
  • D. in Environmental Microbiology/Natural Product Discovery (Warwick University UK).
  • Ordination in Spiritual Counselling (C.D.M. Spiritual Teaching Center, Everett, WA, USA)
  • Certified Spiritual Teacher (C.D.M. Spiritual Teaching Center, Everett, WA, USA)


The intro music comes from Mark Romero of

Jan 6, 2017

Karl Mattingly is the CEO of Dysrupt Labs (Slow Voice), the umbrella company and home of Almanis, Percypt, Pyfina & Sugihara launching cutting edge tools for forecasting. Forecasting the future is difficult in unpredictable times so give strategists and decision makers the edge, Karl has launched Percypt, to offer the world’s first platform for applying collective intelligence to inform strategy and decisions. Collective intelligence can mitigate bias in groups as well.

You’ll hear us talk about:

  • Prediction market platforms
  • The validity of polls and surveys for forecasting
  • Applications of crowdsourced forecasts for financial performance, creditworthiness and management quality.
  • Collective intelligence and governance
  • The advantages and disadvantages of incentives and the variety of tools for testing the pulse of customers, employees, markets
  • Collective intelligence platforms as a tool for reducing cycle time identifying issues and responding to change
  • What collective intelligence tools will tell you your employees might not.

Karl’s TED talk on Wisdom of Crowds


The artist owned music track at the end comes from graphic designer and musician Robert Grey of Brooks Grey Design. The track is called Nexus off his album Lacuna.

Dec 17, 2016

Once or twice a year companies reach into their tool kit and pull out strategy, then hope that it will hold for the whole year. The volatility of the global environment makes the idea of extrapolation, predicting the future based on the past, dangerously delusional. What do you do instead? Patricia Lustig, author of Strategic Foresight, explains how to move from using one future to using a range of possible futures.

She also describes:

  • How to develop your foresight muscles,
  • How to scan emerging futures on a regular basis,
  • What happens when you combine emerging trends together,
  • What went wrong with the emergency response plan at the nuclear power plant Fukushima Daiichi and what other companies with emergency response plans can learn,
  • How to work with the unthinkable,
  • Why using foresight strategically gives you the side benefit of seeing patterns so critical for workplace health and decision making accuracy.

Surprisingly most people underestimate the amount and speed of change leaving all companies vulnerable to be caught unprepared. Included in our conversation is mention of a book written by John Petersen called Out of the Blue. You’ll hear other resources mentioned in the interview as well along with Patricia’s book Strategic Foresight. Her website is www. and the non-profit site she mentions is

Patricia Lustig is an internationally recognized practitioner in strategic foresight and strategy development, future thinking and innovation.  She has held senior positions at major blue-chip companies such as BP, Motorola and Logica and is a Fellow of the RSA. She is currently setting up the Unlocking Foresight Know How C.I.C. Patricia’s most recent book, Strategic Foresight: Learning from the Future is published by Triarchy Press.

Dec 9, 2016

In a unique conversation, Dr. Chris Laszlo, Associate Professor at Case Western Reserve University Fowler Center for Business as an Agent of World Benefit joins his father, Dr. Ervin Laszlo, who is internationally recognized as the founder of systems philosophy and general evolution theory. In this interview we talk about the conversation that took place in Lucca, Italy in the summer of 2016.

The New Paradigm Leadership Retreat and Summit, held in Bagni di Lucca, Italy, on July 12 – 15, 2016, brought together over 40 scholars and practitioners from four domains: (1) the physical and biological sciences, (2) consciousness research, (3) medicine and well-being, and (4) business and management. Chris Laszlo,

The goal was to learn how to create a world that works for 100 percent of humanity and all life on earth, now and for future generations. Questions asked included: What is reality? What is consciousness and why is it the highest leverage point for human survival? What lies at the core of health and wellbeing? How can we strengthen our collective capacity to transform business into an agent of world benefit, one whose purpose is creating prosperity and flourishing for all life on earth!

In this conversation you’ll hear:

  • What if business switched from ‘self-serving’ to higher service?
  • About the shift toward a unified consciousness where we are more coherent in our interactions with each other and Nature
  • Why “consciousness is the determining factor of how you see the world, of who you are, what the world is, and what we can do in the world” as Dr. Laszlo frames it.
  • Rethinking what the bottom line really is.
  • Why higher consciousness is the highest leverage point for transformational leadership in business.
  • What is different?: Moving beyond a strategist perspective to view the macro, meso and micro foundations of leadership
  • Crossing the ontological divide. (the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence or reality.)

You’ll also hear the terms NDE (near death experiences) and OBE (out of body experiences) when we talk about the quantum field.

Ervin Laszlo, Doctorat d’Etat Sorbonne (1970) is Director of the Laszlo Institute of New Paradigm Research (Italy), Founder and President of The Club of Budapest, Fellow of the World Academy of Arts and Sciences, Member of the Hungarian Academy of Science, the International Academy of Philosophy of Science, Senator of the International Medici Academy, and Editor of the international periodical World Futures: The Journal of New Paradigm Research. He is the recipient of the Goi Peace Prize (2002), the International Mandir of Peace Prize (2005), the Conacreis Holistic Culture Prize (2009), the Ethics Prize of Milano (2014) and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2004 and 2005. Laszlo has Honorary PhD’s from the United States, Canada, Finland, and Hungary and is the author or co-author of fifty-four books translated into twenty-four languages. He lives in Tuscany. Ervin Laszlo’s most recent book, What is Reality? Is now on Amazon

His son, Professor Chris Laszlo, provides advisory services to senior leaders in some of the world’s largest companies on sustainability for competitive advantage. He is an Associate Professor at Case Western Reserve University’s Weatherhead School of Management and has taught at INSEAD, CEDEP, Darden, Cornell, and many other leading business schools. He was an executive at Lafarge, a world leader in building materials. Prior to that he spent five years with Deloitte consulting.

Chris is the co-author of Flourishing Enterprise: The New Spirit of Business (2014) Stanford Business Press, Embedded Sustainability: The Next Big Competitive Advantage (2011), Greenleaf Publishing and Stanford University Press, and Sustainable Value: How the World’s Leading Companies Are Doing Well by Doing Good (2008), Greenleaf Publishing and Stanford University Press, and The Sustainable Company (2003, paperback 2005), Island Press.  


Dec 3, 2016

In Episode 8, you met Rich Sheridan, author of Joy, Inc. and CEO of Menlo Innovations which is well known for it's great workplace. Agile Enterprise coach David Grabel and the HR Director for Vistaprint also met Rich at the Agile for Executives Forum. Several site visits later and a visit from Rich, and Vistaprint was on it's way to transformation. In this episode you'll hear David explain what they've learned and how they've moved forward. 


Why self management and self organization aren't synonymous.

In the conversation David mentions Doug Kirkpatrick. I interviewed Doug from MorningStar on my other podcast. You'll find the program on the Evolutionary Provocateur on iTunes. Tomatoes and Self-Management

Then I talk to Steve Denning, founder and facilitator (and Forbes Contributor) for the Learning Consortium, a peer to peer learning community engaging in site visits. You'll hear the 2016 report results and a reflection on the Drucker Forum recently held in Vienna, Austria. 

Steve talks about the threads that tie all these companies together. Why Spotify can learn from Riot Games and why logistics company CH Robinson also learned from Riot Games. 

Learn why bosses still exist in big companies and what makes them different from the traditional command and control role. You can find out more information on the Learning Consortium report from 

Finally, the music track for today's program (artist owned) is from Jamie Schnetzler who lives in Santa Cruz, CA. Jamie provided a track called Still Frame. Jamie's music is on Soundcloud. 

Nov 26, 2016


Rich Sheridan hated work. He was one of those guys who took the long way to work, found a way to beam out during the day and was one of the top recognized performers. Seventeen years ago he realized he couldn’t keep working that way so along with a few partners he founded Menlo Innovations and created the workplace he wanted to work at. Today, as companies realize their workplace culture is a strategic advantage to business, companies come to Menlo to find out how to do what Menlo does every day of the week.

Menlo Innovations designs and builds custom software. That sounds pretty ordinary until you hear their purpose.

“Our mission as an organization is to end human suffering in the world as it relates to technology.”TM

In this episode you’ll hear:

  • How to create an intentionally joyful culture.
  • The difference between joy and happiness and why joy includes conflict and diverse views.
  • Why having absolute clarity on who you serve as a company is critical.
  • What he had to learn and unlearn as a leader.
  • The difference between an intrinsic and extrinsic reward system.
  • Why high paid team members become bitter.
  • Why he has the title: Chief Storyteller
  • Tips for creating an intentionally joyful culture.
  • Why the Menlo Ways isn’t the Toyota Way and why you need to find your own way.
  • An invitation from Rich to visit Menlo and learn.

June 2001, Rich Sheridan and three others took lessons learned from experimenting with creating joy and applied them to Menlo Innovations, located in Ann Arbor, Michigan. That was fifteen years ago. Today Rich is the CEO and Chief Storyteller of Menlo. Menlo has won the Alfred Sloan Award for Business Excellence in Workplace Flexibility for eight straight years. The author of Joy, Inc. Rich mentors entrepreneurs and companies bold enough to embark on creating a customer-centric workplace. For more information go to:

This episode features the music of business innovation/Academy of Rock wizard Peter Cook. You'll find more of his music and his business cross over work at


Nov 18, 2016

You hear a lot about autism today. Seen through a pathological lens, autism is a brain disorder. Seen as a specialized form of intelligence, it is a huge pool of untapped talent for companies seeking talent particularly in the IT sector. SAP, Microsoft have launched programs to fill all kinds of roles including software testing, data analysis, quality assurance to IT project management, graphic design, finance administration and human resources. Most of Silicon Valley is on the autistic spectrum. Neuro-diversity adds to the workplace extraordinary ability in pattern recognition, attention to detail, sequencing and logic and, by adding training and support, the required social and communication skills.But you don’t have to be a big company to benefit from this pool of intelligence.

In this episode Carol Simpson, CEO of Focus Professional Services explains why adding neuro-diversity makes your workplace better in terms of communication and productivity outcomes while being socially responsible . Focus provides software testing and data quality services to organizations in the Vancouver, Canada area.

The solution that Carol’s company offers is one that recognizes the unique advantage of neuro-specialized intelligence. Carol’s company hires and trains people on the autistic spectrum, provides training, and then delivers software development services to companies ready to up their performance through adding diversity.

You’ll hear:

  • A story of one person on the spectrum who’d been ‘failed’ by many workplaces, who finally found one where he was accepted and could contribute (after training).
  • Why communication in the workplace dramatically improves thanks to the presence of neuro-specialized individuals on the team who don’t need social approval.
  • The personal reason why Carol started Focus Point Pro and what she’s learned from her sons.
  • How neuro-specialized individuals benefit client outcomes plus how a sense of contribution and belonging benefits the social and resilience skills of Focus employees.
  • How Carol finds overlooked talent.
  • About the adjustments team members make to fit into the workplace and what clients learn through the process of adding neuro-specialized individuals to their teams
  • How Carol deals with unconscious bias, fear of diversity/difference when marketing
  • Tips for employers who claim they can’t find talent?
  • Tips for neuro-specialized individuals who have experienced discrimination or abuse in the workplace by insensitive management or co-workers?
  • A personal story about a high school teacher’s advice to her autistic son and what happened afterward.

To find out more about Carol Simpson’s company go to her website and watch the video featuring staff and clients): 


Twitter @focus_ps

Connect to Focus on LinkedIn:

This episode features the music of business innovation/Academy of Rock wizard Peter Cook. You'll find more of his music and his business cross over work at


Nov 12, 2016

Nearsoft is a software development company with a distinct advantage in attracting and retaining talented developers. In 2007 it all started with 8 staff that is now 240 and growing world-wide. Co-founder Matt Perez is viewed as a pioneer in workplace innovation by my colleague Doug Kirkpatrick and in this interview you'll find out why. 

We talk about:

  • How the company began - the inspiration for starting up as a self-managed company
  • How staff initiated leadership teams function as a dynamic hierarchy
  • The role of transparency in replacing assumptions with real information and in reinforcing fairness
  • Why there's more structure in self-managed companies than where power is centralized
  • The inspiration and benefits to a healthy workplace environment
  • The connection between playfulness and creativity
  • How to scale freedom to contribute
  • How decisions are made in an intentional and structured way

Matt credits the role of Ricardo Semler's book The 7-day Work Week and mentions participation in WorldBlu for freedom-centric companies. At the end, uou'll receive an offer you can't refuse from Matt who is committed and serious about helping other companies both make the transition to workplaces that work for people (including clients). Learn more at 

The episode closes with a track provided by business innovation maestro Peter Cook. You'll find more of his music and his business cross over work at

Much thanks to Doug Kirkpatrick for continuing to steer me to companies leading the way in future workplace design happening today. 

Nov 4, 2016

Companies that mimic life are an emerging genre that operate on radically different principles than traditionally managed companies. The leading exemplars share four distinctive advantages over traditionally managed firms.

They are:

  1. More adaptive
  2. More profitable,
  3. More sustainable,
  4. Longer lived.

As clear profit leaders in their global industries, all receive top grades for sustainability and ethical leadership from independent resources. In addition, their average and median ages exceed a century. 

What is it that these companies do differently? None are tech firms. T

he research index Joseph Bragdon assembled in 1996 includes companies that are in sectors known for being eco-and social risk laden. In this episode, we talk about what Jay's research reveals about companies that see themselves as part of the living system that supports all life on the planet and why these companies lead a return to better business. For more information see For the book head over to Amazon. Companies That Mimic Life

The episode ends with a track courtesy of Mark Romero: Track is called Alignment. Mark's music has been verified by a physicist to restore balance and harmony (coherence) to your physical state. 

Oct 27, 2016

When you swipe your card at your local coffee shop it takes 3-5 business days for the transaction to take place. Will blockchain change that? Blockchain tech refers to mutually distributed ledgers that underpins cryto-currencies like Bitcoin. 

Michael Mainelli started designing shared distributed ledgers 20 years ago . He’s a leading thinker in fintech and Emeritus Professor of Commerce at Gresham College, London. He is also the co-founder and Chairman of Z/Yen, the City of London’s leading commercial think-tank established in 1994 to promote societal advance through better finance and technology. 

In this episode you'll learn:

What blockchain is and isn't and what it means to you.

How blockchain will impact you and other possible applications. 

How disruptive will blockchain tech be and how are financial institutions responding.

What applications are emerging out of mutual distributed ledgers.

Will blockchain change the transaction fees charged by banks? 

What difference will blockchain make to the 2.5 million people who don't have official identity?

How blockchain tech can be a force for good. 

BLOCKCHAIN DEFINED A mutual distributed ledger – more simply referred to as a blockchain is a computer data structure with the following capabilities: n Mutual – blockchains are shared across organizations, owned equally by all and dominated by no-one; n Distributed – blockchains are inherently multi-locational data structures and any user can keep his or her own copy, thus providing resilience and robustness; n Ledger – blockchains are immutable, once a transaction is written it cannot be erased and, along with multiple copies, this means that the ledger’s integrity can easily be proven. Another way to think of blockchains is as permanent time-stamping engines for computer records. Timestamps can be used to prove that data elements were entered at or before a certain time and have not been altered. - M. Mainelli from 

To learn more about the movement toward long term economics go to

Dawna interviewed Bernard Lietaer on complementary currencies as a way to stablize the monetary system. How about Reinventing it... on the Evolutionary Provocateur on iTunes. 


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